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Thought Exercise Part 6

Socialism means that every decision or action is in the collective interests of the Folk (and therefore nation) as a whole.

We are a racial group of people and we must make decisions that benefit and advance our Folk as a whole. This ethos flows all the way down culturally, legally, and politically, emanating from government.
Each individual has the responsibility to make pro-social choices and
actions that uplift our race as they go about their daily lives.

Businesses and industry must act in the interests of the race in their
operations, i.e. not poisoning our people, no unethical industries that
harm or damage our Folk. Government must always assess and enact policy through a binary lens: Is something good for the Folk, or bad for it? Does this advance us as a collective people, or set us back?
This has nothing to do with the Marxist Socialist practices of
seizing private property from individuals, nor a worker’s uprising against industry and landowners, nor a fantasy egalitarian society where “everyone is equal”.

Our system respects the individual, knowing that racial genius and
creativity emerges as an individual – rising out of the collective pool of our blood. The free market is respected and allowed to prosper, so long as the industries are positive to the Folk (and therefore the nation) Everything should be set around uplifting our people.

Roth Note: Now tell me what’s wrong with this. Understand, this is not Socialism as we’ve known it.

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10 responses to “Thought Exercise Part 6”

  1. Hans Avatar
    Hans

    “The free market is respected and allowed to prosper, so long as the industries are positive to the Folk … Understand, this is not Socialism as we’ve known it.”

    Perhaps not, but socialism it is, and ultimately a gun will be pointed at your head for non-compliance with the ‘collective will’.

    That is exactly where we are now … the market is ‘respected’, until it is NOT … by statist who claim to know better how we should live.

    No! Hell No!!

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    1. Michael Avatar
      Michael

      Agreed. All this series of noble thought exercises points out is free will is subject to the “Greater Good” of the Folk.

      And just like Socialism (which has noble thoughts) REQUIRES Morally Perfect People IN CHARGE to make the lesser serfs to do what’s RIGHT for the Folk (or in Socialism THE PARTY).

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  2. Raymond Avatar
    Raymond

    You can wrap it up with anything you want but it is still socialism and it stinks. This has been tried in society and it does not work. The take from some to give to others destroys incentive and does not help people. I am very surprized to see this type of thing on appalaciationrenegade. Not just NO but hell NO.

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  3. David DeGerolamo Avatar
    David DeGerolamo

    I posted the information for Grok to analyze. His conclusion:

    The statement as written is a normative political program, not a scientific finding. Different people will weigh the trade-offs differently according to their values; the empirical and historical record supplies the constraints.

    I was not relying on Grok to give me insight. I just wanted to have an analysis of the post from an “unbiased” point of view.

    My personal thoughts:

    1. We are here to grow spiritually. That means helping the widows and orphans.
    2. Natural laws supersede man’s laws. The right to defend ourselves is inviolate, even under a tyrannical government. I don’t consider our government to be Capitalistic and maybe that should be part of this discussion.
    3. The right to private property is inviolate.
    4. While most readers will agree, we may not completely be in total agreement. For example: if your house is paid off, do you own it if the government can seize if for eminent domain or unpaid property taxes?
    5. Socialism or Communism = Suicide or Murder.

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    1. Hans Avatar
      Hans

      David – just a couple of subordinate comments

      1. … through private, not government actions

      2. … the laws of nature and of natures’ God supersede mans legislation … according to Jefferson, legislation is mostly the will of a tyrant.

      3. / 4. … the Right is unalienable, but that Right is ALWAYS violated by government

      5. … no dispute

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      1. Big Ruckus D Avatar
        Big Ruckus D

        The above gets my full agreement. We can speak of (and wish for) inviolate rights granted by our Creator until the end of time. The reality is that any government – in any form – can and will violate those rights in some fashion. Since anarchy is not a workable system either, and humans are imperfect at the individual level (and even more so once they form a collective, in which “might makes right”) there is no real solution to the problem if tyranny. It will always rear it’s ugly head at some point, no matter how noble the stated intentions of a government body are at the outset.

        I don’t claim to have any great insight on how to avoid the situation we now find ourselves in, but I would say that in practice, once a new, very limited government is formed, the biggest challenge (and the biggest typical failing) is in trying to ensure those with the franchise remain vigilant against mission creep and the “softening” of things like harsh punishment of criminals.

        Failing that, mistakes like universal franchise, and the watering down of criminal penalties (and capital punishment specifically) eventually take hold again. Again though, that is a wish, and reality has repeatedly shown that given enough time, the standards and expectations that existed at the inception of a nation and it’s government are always diluted, and that leads to collapse within a period of a few of centuries. We are here, now.

        I’d like to think the next iteration (whatever it may be) would avoid that outcome, but my faith in human endeavor to do better is non-existent. Great philosophical discussions can take place, but nothing is ever learned, at least not with enough permanence to avoid a disintegration of nations and governments in the course of time.

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      2. David DeGerolamo Avatar
        David DeGerolamo

        1. Yes. It is called charity. See the two Davey Crockett stories on government giving money to people by confiscating government resources.
        2. Yes. Here is a book detailing “laws”.
        Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent, by Harvey A. Silverglate
        https://www.amazon.com/s?k=whitehouse+books&crid=1UHG4B3HFPYLE&sprefix=whitehouse+books%2Caps%2C290&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-expert-pd-ops-ranker_1_16
        3/4. I think you meant “un a lienable” if I remember our conversation over 10 years ago.
        5. Everyone should understand this concept.

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        1. Hans Avatar
          Hans

          Three Felonies a Day:

          https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229/ref=sr_1_1?crid=JWAWZRDLVF9Z&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vUAls5HpdqgaPe1A-0YU1w.MWY3QVFkaselkVSsPq_DfPbO_8VzcR5Hi0UuxBbCyxg&dib_tag=se&keywords=three+felonies+a+day+by+harvey+silverglate&qid=1786736556&sprefix=three+felonies%2Caps%2C1199&sr=8-1

          (The link provided above is a tour of the Whitehouse)

          And yes, we did indeed discuss the Michael Badnarik interview where he explained the legal / financial etymology of the term “un_alienable”. Good memory!

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          1. Hans Avatar
            Hans

            For those who don’t remember Michael Badnarik, he was the Libertarian candidate in 2004 who passed away in 2022.

            This is his short introduction “You Have Rights; the Government Has Privileges”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iEl4YTZtcc

            Badnarik created some excellent short videos, including “I Will Not Comply!”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wqYOv614E

            YouTube has his complete 6 hour “Constitution Class”:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp-48d_jSb4

  4. Yeoman Farmer Avatar
    Yeoman Farmer

    Not a fan of socialism under the current definition, to easily exploited by the grievances and victimhood crowd. I am willing however to entertain a dialogue on cooperative economics and parecon as proposed by Albert and Hahnel. That said I think capitalism is salvageable provide there are reasonable guardrails and a cohesive society, the latter being the largest hurdle.

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