Moving Forward

Roth’s post on the formation of a new political party should have raised some pointed questions. I was surprised at the comments: I would have hoped for better input.

Let’s make some assumptions:

  1. No one issue will ever receive 100% support. Which is why our Republic initially set up minimum requirements for approving legislation in the Constitution: simple majority or 2/3 to pass legislation or treaties.
  2. The government represents the people:

3. We are a moral and religious people:

    If we want to survive and move forward, instead of attacking and dividing, why don’t we start with listing what we want. Then we will build a party (or a new country/countries) based on that foundation as our founding fathers did. Remember, the Constitution came second and replaced the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union. So much for the Perpetual label. The point is to learn from our mistakes and not rush blindly into the future.

    Going back to the first point above: we must all understand that we will never get consensus on every aspect of a government or even one solution. What I saw in the comments of the initial post was attacks and division without any questions of what “America First for All Americans” means and represents. What path forward would be successful based on the sampling of comments on the first post? Would you listen to people who comment with no solutions when presented with the formation of a new party? I would at least expect questions to asked and suggestions to be made.

    The second point is a quote by the evil Lincoln which was propaganda meant to appease people in an economic war. It is what the government of the Great Experiment was supposed to be. Unfortunately, it has become the antithesis of our forefathers’ legacy. The people are not represented by the government: we are enslaved, attacked and murdered by tyrants.

    Which leads to the third point: our white culture was the basis of the American Dream. This foundation was destroyed by removing morality and Christianity. “We the People” allowed this to happen.

    So let’s build the foundation for a new party or a new country instead of denigrating everything presented without any thought or consideration.

    I can make a list but let me present some topics that must be addressed prior to making suggested solutions:

    1. Secure borders
    2. Secure currency
    3. Immigration requirements
    4. Secure elections
    5. A legal framework designed to protect citizens instead of controlling them
    6. Education
    7. Moral code
    8. Religious freedom
    9. Structure of the government
    10. Natural law rights

    Obviously there are more issues but the point is to start developing the framework instead of marginalizing everything. Take a breath, step back and drop the negativity and personal pride. We have an opportunity to break the chain and regain our freedom. Let’s not waste it because we will not get a second chance for a long time if we lose this opportunity.

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    1. I worked for 25+ years in leadership positions at the local (county) level in the Libertarian Party, and even ran for State Senate in California under the party banner. THEIR principles and agenda (or at least what they used to be) are the ONLY set of principles I could ever support in a political party/movement (other than Ron Paul for GOP presidential nomination in 2008 and 2012). I walked away from the party in the wake of their behavior following 9-11 and their desperate obsession with celebrity (versus principles).

      Any comments I have about a new political party would stem from two things – the inability to get ANYONE or ENOUGH FOLKS to actually agree on anything…especially PRINCIPLES that would ACTUALLY DO SOME GOOD (not just make folks FEEL GOOD), and the presence of horrific ballot access laws in EVERY STATE, put in place by the corrupt uniparty to ensure as little or NO COMPETITION as possible on the ballot both in the primaries and the general election. That ties in further to the CLEAR and OBVIOUS collusion by the mainstream media AGAINST anything or anyone who threatens the status quo that feeds their coffers and keeps conflict brewing in the nation.

      I wish anyone who wants to do something good, all the best. Personally I think that cleaning house in both the Constitution and Libertarian Parties and combining these two (Libertarians ARE ALREADY the third largest party in the nation) and working on better “marketing” of their very sound guiding principles, would go farther than trying to start from ground zero with little more than feel-good ideas that may or many NOT be rooted in sound economics or historical understanding of the purely evil nature of government.

      Those interesting in the ballot access laws, etc. should go to the website of the great Richard Winger (ballot-access.org) where he documents every current “third party” and their status along with all state laws.

      1. You’ve pretty well recounted all the reasons I see nothing useful coming of this latest effort. There’s also the fact that easily half the population of the FUSA now is dispensable. That not only includes every invader here illegally, but enough actual bonafide citizens who aren’t worth a pinch of coon shit due to their diseased ideology, that 150+ million people stand in the way of getting back to a decent, functional society. They cannot be coexisted with, and they cannot be allowed to have input into the process of rebuilding, or we will end up exactly where we already are.

        As was famously said, our system is fit only for a decent a moral people, the inference being that it will fail with a preponderance of indecent and immoral people. Well, we are overrun by the latter, and have been for a long time. Unless and until all (or just the vast majority) of them are gone from our presence, nothing decent can ever exist again. A mass die off will have to occur in some form, be it a legit pandemic, war, an asteroid hitting the planet, or the hand of God himself striking them all down. Right now it seems entirely possible that any of those catastrophes could actually occur. Maybe even in combination.

    2. DWEEZIL THE WEASEL Avatar
      DWEEZIL THE WEASEL

      Sorry, Mr. Lincoln. Democracy is merely three wolves and two sheep deciding what’s for lunch. – H/T to Ben Franklin. And if you delve deeper into “Honest Abe’s” background, you will find one of his pen-pal admirers was none other than Karl Marx. Get ahold of the book: RED REPUBLICANS AND LINCOLN’S MARXISTS. I can’t remember the author’s name off the top of my head, but it is scholarly, referenced, and footnoted. The truth is out there.

      1. Every Single Time Brother Every Single Time

    3. We can’t move forward until people are honest with themselves and with others and leave theirselves out of the conversation and go of of the facts of what is facing us…Also do we even agree that we are all headed towards an iceberg that is going to sink us in one way or another… I believe we are but that doesn’t mean others do and I would just say I know I want to be by the life boats when it does and not at the bottom of the ship…Also to many of our side are looking to others to save them because they don’t want to sacrifice anything let alone their comfort and their magic dirt… I would love to get you all around a table or campfire but most are too scared to even do that and yet they are going to be Rambo when the ship is sinking…I’ve met quite a few people from the online world at Patcons, DSRs. Meetups while traveling, and everything and everyone was all good so the fears are unjustified…

    4. Lee Vail AKA Kalev Efrayim Avatar
      Lee Vail AKA Kalev Efrayim

      In my opinion there are two viable third party alternatives that should be looked into, The Constitution Party and The Conservative Party. Sadly, the shenanigans of the Uniparty make it almost impossible for those two to gain ballot access.

    5. The ten points David lists, I think, we can all agree with. The problem is the population. We The People have been drowned in invaders and Marxist educational propaganda.

      I once saw a comment on a Southern National site making the point that the South will never ‘rise again’. Point being, true Southrons have been overwhelmed and made the minority in Southern lands by Yankees and foreigners who care not a wit for Southron culture and the children of the true Southrons have been propagandized by public education to hate their ancestors.

      I see the same situation with Heritage Americans. We’ve been overwhelmed by ‘the others’ and our children taught to hate those old white men in wigs. Lineman has the answer – white only enclaves where we teach our children to love their own and cherish the memory of their ancestors.

      1. Lineman wants a White Homeland Brother not scattered white enclaves that will eventually be overcome…I know that to resist a state you have to have something that has parity with that state in terms of strength or you will be attacked at some point because they will want what you have…I will let you contemplate on what that parity could be but the answer should be clear as mud…I just want what’s best for our people Brother and constantly get attacked over it by both sides out of ignorance, cowardice, apathy, laziness, etc, etc, and like I’ve said before if anyone can give me a better plan that has a chance of working/not fantasy and not let’s hide over here or over there then I’m all ears…

        1. I keep contending ‘words mean things’ and here I’ve fallen into my own trap. By enclave, I didn’t mean a compound or subdivision. I was thinking more like a state sized entity, but that’s not the definition of enclave. My bad.

          Some years back I read a white paper suggesting there would be a race war in America’s future. Whites were encouraged to go Northeast, Midwest, or Northwest, Hispanics Southwest, and blacks deep South so as to be with their own. Special example was given of Georgia. The author said Georgia would go black. There was a sting of white dominant counties stacked in a more or less straight line North to South near Atlanta. He contended that they had too long a perimeter to defend and would fall rather quickly to black forces.

          Point being? Even an ethnic dominant county in an otherwise diverse state is not defensible. Here in the Ozarks our minority ‘diversity’ amounts to Amish and Hebrew Roots Christians. I can accept that.

          1. Where is your route to the ocean and can it be defended from drone threats from the Hispanics and Blacks? If you don’t have port access then you are subject to those who do which makes the cost go way up or become impossible to get…Also I get the argument that you will just do without or go back to a primitive way of living but that never works out because those who fall behind/back get attacked and ruled pretty quickly…Look at Russia for just one example of how important a warm water port is…I like to do things which not only have a tactical value to them but also a strategic one because I want it viable long after I’m dead and gone and I know you do too…Also I understand numbers and we just don’t have them where we can all be split up even in three areas let alone 50 but I understand also most don’t want to pick up and start fresh somewhere else…I wish you would have been around on WRSA back in 2012 when I was advocating for White Communities/Homeland…

      2. Absolutely agree on the ten points. This basic conversation is being repeated all over the country, especially with what’s going on in Texas with the muslims (intentionally and disrespectfully NOT capitalized).

        With regard to the white “enclaves”, may I go further to the point of going back to segregation? Since most minorities can NOT coexist with any other group of humans in this country (and elsewhere), it’s time to put them all together in the same area. Would that be a state? Perhaps, however we need to acknowledge that the great American experiment where we can all live together and get along has failed miserably. It’s not a fallacy, it’s a fact. It’s on the news EVERY SINGLE DAY.

        As far as a 3rd party, it would take probably close to a decade, which we don’t have. The UniParty will quickly move to make sure any candidate from a 3rd party is not allowed on the ballot. Cleansing the republicon party and getting rid of the rino’s may be the most workable plan, although not all will agree. It certainly worked with the state house in Indiana when the majority lost their seats.

        It will undoubtedly take time and great deal of fighting (all meanings) to right this ship. The man upstairs will have much to consider!

        1. What possible good is a third party when elections are rigged?

          1. That’s the trap that most people fall in and stay Brother which is right where they want you…Voting is rigged so we have to vote in a candidate that will fix the rigged voting all the while those who are doing the rigging are the ones picking the candidates and round and round we go and things just keep getting worse…What’s that definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results…

          2. Well, a third party can make part of it’s core principles demanding legitimate elections, including nonstop lawsuits, rallies, protests, and showing up at your current “representative’s” office demanding legitimate elections, so much so that they are overwhelmed and unable to do anything else until the election fraud is dealt with. Furthermore, a legitimate third party will demand being present during vote tallies, all of which must be on written ballots and hand-counted. We are actually in a pretty good position to push this because so many people are disillusioned with the uniparty.

    6. Ok. Ozarks it is. Something might have to be done about St. Louis and KC.

    7. Lots of good comments here. I am of the opinion that political parties should be outlawed completely. Any such organization will be subverted from within eventually and end up where both major parties are now, corrupt and useless. What comes after that I’m not sure but it can’t be worse that the bought off scumbags we have now.

    8. You said “Take a breath, step back and drop the negativity and personal pride.”

      You are asking far too much from people today. As I’ve said many, many times on this and related issues, this is not who people are today; you are a few decades too late. You are looking for a tribe that no longer exists.

      Although I wish you well on this quest, there is nowhere to go on this one.

    9. One of the reasons governments fail is because a central government amasses more and more power until they no longer represent the people, but themselves. That is where we are at now, and have been for quite some time. A confederation of states was a good idea, but even then still too much power at the state level.

      The ONLY way to create a truly free and prosperous society is to decentralize government to the local level AND the citizens MUST monitor it closely.

      Let me use an example of why decentralization works. Let’s say we have a choice of having one huge power plant that serves everyone. Well, that seems good, because it can keep the cost down, right? One company, simple. Except, what happens if something at the power plant fails? Or there’s a strike? Or an attack? Suddenly EVERYONE loses power. Now, if you have thousands of small power plants, or, ideally, every home has it’s own power plant, then the likelihood of everyone losing power, or even more than a few at any time, is close to zero.

      Let’s convert that idea to government. If you have local governments, they can be substantially controlled by their respective populations, because they will not have the resources to amass greater and greater power. Combine that with an attentive population, and actual legitimate elections, (and hopefully term limits, although each location will have the option of choosing that or not) you have a recipe for greater transparency, and if a local government starts to get out control, measures can be put into place to abolish that government with enough signatures from the population, and start over. Messy? Sure, but it’s messy now. And corrupt. And evil.

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