Remember, the victors always write the history. There is no suggestion that evil things weren’t done by the Germans in WWII, but they were not alone in evil doing. Dresden comes to mind. One may want to consider reading Mein Kampf before one accepts that Hitler was the most evil human to ever exist. One might be surprised.
Rarely black and white. Usually shades of gray.
17 responses to “Not What We Thought”
When you take into account that none of the contemporaneous military documents actually record that there were ovens and extermination methods in the concentration camps, you begin to “notice”. Yes the Germans incarcerated people and used slave labor, but it was not what the ((victors)) have purported it to be.
I really wish people could catch up to where we need to be, before we are all genocided…
Sure. War is full of atrocities. The question to ask yourself is if you would have preferred
to live under the rule of the Axis powers and the Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
Ask Patton.
Or Sherman…
I have read Mein Kampf cover to cover, and that is why I believe Hitler was evil. My mother told me that she remembered as a little girl her German grandparents sitting at the kitchen table, discussing whether Hitler was the antichrist. We know people who liberated those camps, heard their first hand stories and saw the pictures they took. The parents of a Canadian test pilot I flew with here in the US still had the tattoos on their arms from the camps. They would disagree with you. Rewrite history at your own peril.
Dad met Mom in Deutschland when he served in the 60’s, came home with a bride, as some GIs do….
Opa served on a U-boat in the North Atlantic, Oma was in Berlin when the Russians advanced, fled when they got a few blocks away. They both said how Wonderful Hitler was for Germans and Germany.
Find the so-called “final solution” speech to the Reichstag. It is ALL about the foreign banking interests that had dragged Germany into war after war to the detriment and financial destruction of Germany. Yes, he was referencing the Jews, but for SPECIFIC CAUSE, not simply because they were Jews.
Many things can be true at the same time. Hitler WAS evil. So, his contribution to the mass murder of humans was certainly not the highest… that honor goes to the communists… specifically Mao Zedong, then Stalin, perhaps Hitler, then Lenin. Why does everyone point to the Jews as the greatest victims? Marketing. Period. No one really even considers Mao, who was Chinese and killed up to 80 million of his own people by starving them and having mass executions.
THIS is why I am beating the drum about the CCP, and about the Iranian regime. NOTHING has changed. Evil governments murder thousands to millions of their own people. Most do it quickly, like Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Lenin. Some do it more slowly, like the United States Government, which is not one individual, but a collection of very nasty globalists, some controlled by Jews, but all with the intent of subjugating EVERY American and disposing of as many as necessary to fulfill their Utopian dream (killing the old folks so they don’t have to pay social security, with endless prescription drugs and vaccines). Covid. Vaccines. Chemicals in the water and food that are turning everyone gay. Chemtrails to shorten our lives, and glyphosate in our food (rather than replenishing the soil with beneficial nutrients) to give us cancer and keep fueling the medical industrial complex. 5G, then 6G radiation to irradiate our brains and permanently damage young people. Grotesque policies that punish the innocent while letting the violent go free. Taxing us to death.
The American people are not bad, just like the Persian people are not bad, and the Chinese people are not bad. They are all just repressed… China and Iran with unfathomable violence, Americans with debt and medical slavery.
Don’t excuse Hitler. Also don’t buy the propaganda that he didn’t exterminate as many people as he did. But understand that he was not the only one, and certainly not the worst. Our own government may hold that title.
Any discussion of Hitler and the Nazis’ alleged atrocities without considering what Eisenhower and the Allies did to the defeated German soldiers and citizens is disingenuous and a waste of time.
This.
Read the book “Other Losses” by James Bacque. There are also other books about this subject.
The “justice” of the victors.
Sickning.
So it was “alleged” atrocities by Hitler, but What Eisenhower and the Allies did is absolute fact?
There will always be people who dispute history, rewrite it, and claim the opposite of what really happened is true. Yeah, after the war, there were severe food shortages. Maybe it was because of the war? The Germans declared war on the rest of Europe (well, except Italy), Russia, and eventually the United States. Maybe it’s asking a bit much to prioritize feeding the aggressors after the war before feeding the recipients of the aggression, but IDK, maybe that’s just me.
Read the book.
Bacque uses the surviving documents of the Americans and the French to show that several million German POWs were starved to death by the Americans and the French and the Soviets were blamed for all of the “missing” soldiers. The starvation deaths were listed on the official military forms as “other losses.” They had categories for deaths from various diseases but the starvation deaths were covered up by listing them as other losses.
This was all blamed on the Soviets. However, when the Russian archives were opened to the West in 1991 Bacque and other western researchers went to Moscow and spent a lot of time combing through the archives. What they found was that the Soviets kept meticulous records on all of the German POWs they had. The numbers could not support the claim that all of the deaths occurred under the Soviets.
Even before the war ended Eisenhower specified that any German soldier captured before hostilities concluded was to be treated as a POW and therefore had Geneva Convention protection. Any German soldier captured after the German surrender was to be treated as DEF, a Disarmed Enemy Force with no Geneva Convention protection. And several million were starved to death.
The American government had no honor then and has no honor now.
Of course… I assumed that was what you were referring to. Just because Bacque wrote it, and you appear to believe it, does not make it true. Even most German historians have debunked this work as sensationalism or purely historical fiction, written by a Canadian novelist.
While there were definitely tragic deaths post WW2, it was nowhere near the hundreds of thousands or millions claimed in the book. If we’re scoring, Allied treatment of POWs has historically been superior to very nearly every other nation’s treatment during and after wars.
I’ll ask this: If you are willing to question the “official” narrative, shouldn’t you be willing to also question alternative narratives, especially those as spectacular as claimed by Bacque?
And since I did spend some time researching this, because I really hate thinking I have believed something that isn’t accurate, this, from Grok (in addition to several other resources I was able to identify online since I don’t live next to a library):
‘Bacque misinterpreted a U.S. Army ledger column labeled “Other Losses” (which mainly recorded transfers, releases, escapes, and administrative changes) as hidden deaths. Actual records and post-war German studies show far lower figures. The official German Maschke Commission (a major 22-volume study from the 1960s–1970s based on archives and eyewitnesses) documented ~557,000 prisoners in the Rhine camps with only ~3,000–5,300 deaths (from parish records and official tallies). Overall U.S.-held German POW death rates were around 1% (not 30%+ as Bacque implied). German military historian Rüdiger Overmans and U.S. Army Center of Military History experts confirmed Bacque’s tabulations were “exaggerated and contorted.”’
People will believe what they wish to believe, especially if it makes the United States look bad. I think that’s unfortunate, especially when it is provably untrue.
In the interest of transparency, here is a link (sorry, so that it doesn’t get caught by wordpress I added a space after the https and spelled out the ) that shows my question and a subsequent question asking about other legitimate works that support Bacque. I tried very hard not to skew the possible answer with the wording of my question.
https ://grok com/share/c2hhcmQtMg_808924f8-3f22-45fb-b9ad-e6e7a15fb614
If Bacque`s claims are baseless then why are no excavations allowed on the territory of the Rheinwiesenlager, where the DEF were kept?
No permits are issued and anybody who tries to do something that takes more then a few minutes time (like groundradar) are stopped by the police and threatened with arrest.
And if you read british newspapers, a short time ago two british veterans (one of them jewish) both said that WWII wasnt worth it.
My dad read British newspapers. He was also a socialist, so forgive me if I don’t give a lot of credence to anything from British media. For the rest, I asked the exact question you posed: “If Bacque`s claims are baseless then why are no excavations allowed on the territory of the Rheinwiesenlager, where the DEF were kept?”
GROK: The claim that a strict “blanket ban” on excavations at the Rheinwiesenlager (Rhine meadow camps) sites proves hidden mass graves—and thus validates Bacque’s million-scale death toll—is a recurring assertion in Bacque-sympathetic sources and online discussions, but it does not hold up as strong evidence against the historical consensus.
What the restriction actually involves…
Many of the former camp sites (open agricultural fields along the Rhine, such as near Remagen-Sinzig, Rheinberg, Bad Kreuznach/Bretzenheim, etc.) have long been treated as protected war graves or memorial areas under German law. This stems from post-1945 decisions by Allied occupation authorities and later German authorities to designate burial sites of any deceased prisoners (or other war dead) as protected zones. Disturbing war graves without proper authorization is generally prohibited in Germany to respect the dead, avoid desecration, and prevent amateur or sensationalist digs. Similar protections apply to countless WWII sites across Europe, including former Nazi camps, battlefields, and POW cemeteries—not just these ones.
There is no publicly documented “blanket excavation ban” imposed specifically to hide evidence of a massive cover-up.
Instead:
The sites were temporary enclosures on farmland. After closure (mostly by September 1945, with some transfers to French control), prisoners were released, moved, or processed. Any deaths were handled through burials—often in existing or ad hoc cemeteries, not vast unmarked mass graves bulldozed across the entire meadow areas.
German authorities (via the Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge or state heritage offices) have managed reburials and commemorations of known German war dead for decades, including exhumations and transfers to official military cemeteries when remains are found elsewhere. This process occurs routinely for other WWII German graves on the Eastern Front or in former battle zones.
Evidence against hidden millions…
If hundreds of thousands (or a million) had died in these specific camps and been buried on-site in a systematic cover-up, we would expect:
Demographic discrepancies in German post-war records (a “missing million” in Western captivity). The Maschke Commission (official German government study, 1960s–1970s) and later work by military historian Rüdiger Overmans found no such gap for Western Allied hands. Overall German POW mortality in U.S./British custody was low (around 1% or less for the period), with Rhine camp deaths estimated in the low thousands (e.g., ~3,000–10,000 range from parish records, medical reports, and camp tallies), not hundreds of thousands.
Physical traces during post-war reconstruction. The Rhine valley saw massive rebuilding, agriculture, infrastructure projects, and development in the decades after 1945. No large-scale discoveries of mass graves matching Bacque’s scale have emerged despite this activity.
Mainstream historians (including German ones) note that real deaths occurred from exposure, disease, and shortages in the chaotic early weeks/months of 1945 amid millions of surrenders and Europe’s food crisis—but these were not on the genocidal scale alleged, and records were not systematically falsified as “Other Losses.”
Why the “no digging” claim circulates but misleads…
It originates largely from Bacque’s narrative and derivative popular articles (e.g., some sensationalist pieces repeating the idea of “forbidden zones” where “the answer lies buried”). These often exaggerate or assume a conspiracy without citing specific laws or enforcement details.
In reality, limited archaeological or historical work has occurred at or near some sites (surveys, memorials, ground-penetrating radar in related contexts, or investigations tied to heritage protection). Full-scale commercial or amateur excavations are restricted, as with most war grave sites, to prevent looting, disturbance, or pseudo-archaeology.
Contrast this with Nazi-era sites: Germany actively excavates and studies concentration camps, mass graves, and related locations under controlled conditions. The same framework applies to Allied-era graves when warranted. No credible evidence shows these particular sites are uniquely shielded to conceal atrocities.
The restriction is better explained as standard post-war grave protection policy—applied across Europe to avoid turning former camps into unregulated dig sites—rather than proof of a suppressed holocaust-level event. If new, rigorous archaeological evidence (with proper permissions) ever emerged showing dramatically higher deaths, historians would evaluate it on its merits. To date, none has overturned the archival, demographic, and medical record.
Bacque’s core thesis relies on misread statistics and selective sources, not on physical evidence from the ground. The “excavation ban” argument is a circumstantial claim that assumes guilt rather than addressing the direct counter-evidence from the Maschke studies, U.S. Army medical reports, and Overmans’ analyses.
For a deeper dive, the 1992 volume Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts Against Falsehood directly addresses many of these points with primary sources.